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Sunday, May 15, 2005

Toiletgate: Newsweek Report on Koran Desecration is Wrong

Last week, Newsweek reported that guards at Guantanamo Bay terrorist detention camp allegedly left copies of the Koran in restrooms and flushed them down toilets. The Islamic world reacted to the news with violent anti-U.S. demonstrations. Sixteen Afghans were killed during the outbursts.

Now, in a stunning turn of events, Newsweek has admitted that its report was wrong.

In the name of Moonbat Central, I hereby dub this latest blunder by the mainstream liberal media, "Toiletgate."

It is interesting to note the anti-U.S. bias that affects the original Newsweek report, since it provides a perfect example of the leftist media's destructive habit of pinning the blame for nearly all Mideast turmoil on the U.S., when it's not pinning it on Israel. Thus its claim that:

"Such stories may spark more trouble. Though decrepit and still run largely by warlords, Afghanistan was not considered by U.S. officials to be a candidate for serious anti-American riots. But Westerners, including those at NEWSWEEK, may underestimate how severely Muslims resent the American presence, especially when it in any way interferes with Islamic religious faith."
Has anyone at Newsweek ever considered that perhaps the outrage expressed by Muslims over the alleged desecration of the Koran has more to do with devoutly religious people taking blasphemy, by anyone, seriously, than it does with a specific hatred of America? After all, in Afghanistan and in some other countries where fundamental Islam is practiced, blasphemy is considered a paramount sin, punishable by death.

Who can blame Newsweek for missing this "root cause" of the recent display of Muslim outrage sparked by its erroneous article? After all, most of its writers and staff live in a nation where desecration of religious objects and symbols is sometimes viewed as art.


26 Comments:

prowlerneedsajump said...

The fundamentalists who vow death to infidels for desecrating holy objects are pre-moderns in that the human freedom to err is not recognized. But their violent responses to this sort of thing are unacceptable - they are incompatible with modern civilization.

I think Rocco DiPippo's observation is cogent that Newsweek fails to see clearly this primary cause of the Afghani riots. I attribute Newsweek's blindness to their postmodern outlook, common to the usual suspects in the international and American media. By their lights, individuals do not bear responsibility for unacceptable behavior - fault lies with authorities.

One could regard P*ss Christ as the postmoderns proudly and pointedly demonstrating their sway over the religious, just as the pictures from Abu Ghraib, the publishing of which garnered CBS News rewards instead of their deserved condemnations, seemed to say to Muslims that the Christians were displaying their pecking-order superiority.

The proper response to religious humiliation/desecration is steel-spined resistance, but not violence. And journalists and artists could practice a little more sensitivity.

Sun May 15, 09:40:02 PM  
beakerkin said...

I hope somebody gets fired for this fiasco

Sun May 15, 10:04:18 PM  
John Brown said...

Col David Hunt thinks the editors should be charged with being assesories to murder.

Sun May 15, 11:31:16 PM  
J. Edward Tremlett said...

That's an excellent point about blasphemy. Muslims consider the Koran to be the literal Word of God, put onto paper. So tossing the Koran into a john is basically tossing Allah, Himself, in the crapper. Given their toilet taboos, that's about as blasphemous as you get.

Mon May 16, 01:10:18 AM  
The Reivers said...

Who cares what Muslims think? "Blasphemy" to them is anything their medieval outlook cares to view. Of course, one should not flush the Koran; but in Mecca and Medina, the Bible will be "executed" with hideous atrocity, along with its adherents, on pretexts that its ancient Holy Writ predates The Prophet's plagiarisms.

Let these Warriors of Allah, the Mullah-cracy and its murderous thugs, embrace civilized ethics rather than barbaric self-assertions at the world's expense: Then maybe they'll get some mutual respect. Don't count on it.

Mon May 16, 01:15:52 PM  
GreatTKR said...

This one has pushed me over the edge. I just cancelled my NewsWeak subscription --- after >15 years of continual subscription. I suggest that anyone who reads this follow the same tactic: CANCEL.

Won't watch CBS News, won't read Newsweak, can't stand listening to NPR except when the local station is playing music.

What's the world coming to?

Mon May 16, 01:17:13 PM  
Crispin said...

Enough is enough. Boycott Newsweek's advertisers.
Stop the lies.

Mon May 16, 01:49:36 PM  
Mr. Beamish the Instablepundit said...

I've tongue-in-cheek called that rag "Newspeak magazine" for years.

I suppose we all should violently riot next time a Muslim beheads an "infidel" in accordance with Surah 47:4 until they themselves flush their terror manual.

Mon May 16, 02:10:56 PM  
J. Edward Tremlett said...

Who cares what Muslims think?

Anybody who wants to have an informed discussion on what and who we're up against, for starters.

J

Tue May 17, 02:07:09 AM  
Rightminded said...

Who cares what Muslims think?

J.E.T. Answers, "Anybody who wants to have an informed discussion on what and who we're up against, for starters."

Best of luck understanding all their mubalagha, tawkid, and their difference between words and action.

Then there is their shakhsiyya, and aversion to manual work!

DAMN, I THINK A MOONBAT SEMINAR IS IN ORDER! J.E.T BOOK THE SAILBOAT! WE ARE ON OUR WAY!

P.S. GET 1,000 COPIES OF "DEALING WITH SONS OF MAHOUND--IF YOU MUST"

I already read mine, and am still leaning toward solving the problem with the body count!

Tue May 17, 06:19:09 AM  
J. Edward Tremlett said...

I already read mine, and am still leaning toward solving the problem with the body count!

Which is why - I'm sad to say - I don't count your contributions as part of the "informed" side of the discussion, rightminded.

But do come over to Dubai if you can. I'd love you to meet my students, so you can tell them all about themselves, based on the well-researched books you've read. ; ) Finals are coming up, and they could probably use a good laugh.

No sailboat, though. It's too far out from the real action.

J

Tue May 17, 10:54:39 AM  
David Yeagley said...

This fundamental issue is, and has always been, What is holy? Who declares this state, man or God? If man can declare something holy, then we have a serious problem with the concept of holy, and of God.

Islam will never honor what other's regard as holy. This may suggest that, in their minds, man declares what is holy. This is where their desparation comes from.

Tue May 17, 12:07:23 PM  
David Yeagley said...

This fundamental issue is, and has always been, What is holy? Who declares this state, man or God? If man can declare something holy, then we have a serious problem with the concept of holy, and of God.

Islam will never honor what other's regard as holy. This may suggest that, in their minds, man declares what is holy. This is where their desparation comes from.

Tue May 17, 12:07:57 PM  
David Yeagley said...

This fundamental issue is, and has always been, What is holy? Who declares this state, man or God? If man can declare something holy, then we have a serious problem with the concept of holy, and of God.

Islam will never honor what other's regard as holy. This may suggest that, in their minds, man declares what is holy. This is where their desparation comes from.

Tue May 17, 12:09:36 PM  
J. Edward Tremlett said...

This may suggest that, in their minds, man declares what is holy.

Not in the slightest. In fact, they are absolutely terrified of the thought of declaring something to be allowed - much less holy - when it really should be prohibited or, worse, blaphemous. Their version of God is nowhere near as forgiving as Christianity's, and if you make one little mistake you may wind up stuck in Hell once time comes around. So they can, and do, go to a great deal of trouble to make certain that they don't overlook some bit or part of the Koran when trying to figure out if something's allowed or prohibited.

Part of the problem is that, with different sects and different regions, you get different answers. Not widely different, mind, but there's still enough divergence for some people to be able to claim that entire Muslim countries are "backslidden."

J

Tue May 17, 01:00:46 PM  
J. Edward Tremlett said...

Put another way: Allah's already decided what's good and what's bad. When something new or different comes along, you have to reason as to whether it should be good or bad based on precident and other factors. It's very legalistic.

J

Tue May 17, 01:03:38 PM  
Rightminded said...

Then there is the son of mahound fatalism--"Allah's will" anyway.

As a result, there is often little motivation for taking action for change or to evaluate critically their own circumstances."

Ergo, THE AMERICANS AND THE JEWS ARE AT FAULT FOR ALL!

Tue May 17, 06:44:30 PM  
J. Edward Tremlett said...

there is often little motivation for taking action for change or to evaluate critically their own circumstances

eh. That sort of viewpoint is around, but I find it depends on the circumstances of the individual. Anyway, it's hardly endemic to Islam - "let go and let God"?

And what's with this "Mahound," anyway?

J

Wed May 18, 01:31:48 AM  
Rightminded said...

"let go and let God"?"

Absolutely, comparing apples and 57 Buicks!--No comparison!

Sons of mahound (hey, do your homework) often do not end up feeling a sense of responsibility for their own failures (probably why the left loves them)!

"To admit that a problem is one's own fault brings humiliation upon one's self and also shames the groups honor. THUS, THE OBSESSION WITH AVOIDING SHAME CANCELS OUT THE POSSIBILITY OF TRUTHFUL SELF-REFLECTION AND EXAMINATION!"

Anne was right, run down blow them up, and shove Christianity down their throats for their own good!
It's going to happen anyway!

Wed May 18, 02:24:37 AM  
J. Edward Tremlett said...

Absolutely, comparing apples and 57 Buicks!--No comparison!

Says you.

Sons of mahound (hey, do your homework)

Answer the question? I've never seen Mohammed's name abbreviated like that before. Where did you get that?

often do not end up feeling a sense of responsibility for their own failures

Not all that "often." You will get that from time to time (especially amongst the poor) but the other side of the story is that people who hear that excuse roll their eyes and berate the other person for being lazy.

I asked one colleague what they do, as Muslims, when it becomes clear someone else is using "Inshallah" (if god wills it) as an excuse for not getting something done on time, or just being lazy. He said the polite thing to do is say "God is always willing, but you have to help."

I'm sure there are less polite ways, based on some of the more racious arguments I've seen break out between businessmen, but I didn't ask for specifics ; )

J

Thu May 19, 03:57:09 AM  
Rightminded said...

"I asked one colleague what they do, as Muslims, when it becomes clear someone else is using "Inshallah" (if god wills it) as an excuse for not getting something done on time, or just being lazy. He said the polite thing to do is say "God is always willing, but you have to help."

Oh, I see!

So the above is why there are so many Muslim democracies with thriving economies and functional societies.

And here I thought, Muslims just thought these things were supposed to materialize and if they didn't, it was the Americans and the Jews fault!

"Answer the question? I've never seen Mohammed's name abbreviated like that before. Where did you get that?"

My! My! Perhaps we have not met--you do realize you are talking to Rightminded, and not just some average poster!--say please, or at least something that approaches please!--do not get around that much, eh!

"Says you."

Oh yeah!--Good Lord J.E.T.!

Thu May 19, 05:32:24 AM  
J. Edward Tremlett said...

So the above is why there are so many Muslim democracies with thriving economies and functional societies.

No, the above is to illustrate that you are incorrect in your generalizations.

Don't let that stop you, though.

My! My! Perhaps we have not met--you do realize you are talking to Rightminded, and not just some average poster!

The vast parade of straw men makes your presence anything but unmistakable, rightminded. And if it didn't, the aSymphony of drivel that accompanies it would soon alert me to it.

do not get around that much, eh!

I do when I do what I should have done in the first place: answer my own question, which I have. : )

J

Thu May 19, 09:39:26 AM  
Rightminded said...

"I do when I do what I should have done in the first place: answer my own question, which I have. : )

Yeah, and just like your answers to pop-caca-culture questions, it is probably wrong!

When you learn how to ask your more knowledgeable elders questions in a polite manner, you will get an answer.

UNTIL THEN, WALLOW AWAY IN BLISSFUL IGNORANCE, AS DO THE SONS OF MAHOUND!

Thu May 19, 06:17:11 PM  
J. Edward Tremlett said...

yeah, and just like your answers to pop-caca-culture questions, it is probably wrong!

Possibly. Being incorrect is the price we sometimes pay for answering our own questions, rather than asking others. It does, however, sometimes save us from having to thank people we wouldn't invite over for tea.

And I see you still haven't fixed your capslock. Might want to get that looked at.

J

Fri May 20, 12:19:29 AM  
Rightminded said...

"Possibly. Being incorrect is the price we sometimes pay for answering our own questions, rather than asking others. It does, however, sometimes save us from having to thank people we wouldn't invite over for tea."

Just as I thought, your visceral needs and style, trumps your need for substance"-- A stock left tenant!

P.S. I perused the rANT ARCHIVES , and you really need to rename them to the rANT catacombs!

P.P.S. I AM VERY CIRCUMSPECT WITH WHOM I HAVE COFFEE WITH.--THAT REMINDS ME, I HAVE A LOCAL GOD'S OWN PARTY MEETING COMING UP!--GOODY! GOODY! GOODY! MORE PLANS FOR MORE WINS, AND MORE POWER!

Fri May 20, 01:35:54 AM  
J. Edward Tremlett said...

P.S. I perused the rANT ARCHIVES , and you really need to rename them to the rANT catacombs!

"Of the dead, say nothing bad." ; )

J

Sat May 21, 12:26:08 PM  

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